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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:07 pm
by zunmik
pmh:2174 wrote:I think I might be able to get 6 faces per target sheet, and a sighter, so that would mean 2 x target sheets per entry.
This would mean excluding some of the outer rings, just would need to agree the scoring.
I would include score fractions so that .22 rifles could be used, which would handicap them in a way, as they are less likely to get a clean hit on the centre.
My suggested scoring would be:-
5.2 - Clean hit on centre (no line breaks)
5.0 - Centre hit (line break)
4.0 - Within first outer ring
3.0 - Within second outer ring
Upward scoring.
Any thoughts?
Kind regards,
Phil
I am doubtfull about 5 ring scoring & 6 yds with a rifle allowing line breaks to score 5 is out side bell target norm's & at 6 yds most shots would be clustered here so it might be diffacult to separate a winner, M.
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:06 pm
by pmh
Come on chaps, let's hear your thoughts on scoring.
Kind regards,
Phil
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:22 pm
by Plinkit
zunmik:2175 wrote: I am doubtfull about 5 ring scoring & 6 yds with a rifle allowing line breaks to score 5 is out side bell target norm's & at 6 yds most shots would be clustered here so it might be diffacult to separate a winner, M.
I was under the impression M that P's target was going to be a one shot per target affair with 6 targets per sheet.
As regards the scoring it seems ok to me but i'm no expert. However are you suggesting that there will only be 2 outer scoring rings with your proposed target?
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:45 pm
by zunmik
Plinkit:2201 wrote:zunmik:2175 wrote: I am doubtfull about 5 ring scoring & 6 yds with a rifle allowing line breaks to score 5 is out side bell target norm's & at 6 yds most shots would be clustered here so it might be diffacult to separate a winner, M.
I was under the impression M that P's target was going to be a one shot per target affair with 6 targets per sheet.
As regards the scoring it seems ok to me but i'm no expert. However are you suggesting that there will only be 2 outer scoring rings with your proposed target?
I'm no longer sure myself i originally suggested online bell target it seems to have evolved to something like a ubc fun shoot so i will withdraw from this comp idea, the pistol shoot appears to have sadly stopped i still can't find round 3 results?. If a rifle shoot does happen people must make it what suits the majority, M.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:20 pm
by Tank
zunmik:2203 wrote: I'm no longer sure myself i originally suggested online bell target it seems to have evolved to something like a ubc fun shoot so i will withdraw from this comp idea, the pistol shoot appears to have sadly stopped i still can't find round 3 results?. If a rifle shoot does happen people must make it what suits the majority, M.
No, I do not believe that to be the case at all. What Phil proposed, and I agree, was to print six targets to a sheet of A4 paper so there is no doubt about the scores - a point I believe you made earlier.
I personally do not do "fun shoots". Having said that, I try not to take myself too seriously either.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:10 pm
by pmh
Round 3 shots now posted.
This will be far from a "fun" shoot type of competition.
Your original suggestion was a good one, and I thought I had translated it into a concept.
Nothing is cast in stone yet, so no need to withdraw.
I was hoping to put 6 x faces onto one sheet, + a sighed target.
This will make scoring easier as there will only be 1 bit per target face.
Two sheets will be shot, giving the common 2 x 6 shot rounds, plus 1 slighter per set of 6.
In order to get 6 faces on one sheet I will need to remove an outer ring, or two, but these are rarely hit, so shouldn't cause too many problems.
We could keep all rings, and shoot a total of 4 x sheets in order to get one shot per face. It's really up to members.
I don't purpose to proceed until everybody is happy with the rules, target layout, etc.
So, all comments/ideas are welcome.
Kind regards,
Phil
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:28 pm
by beeker
Never having participated in "bell target" contests or knowing anything about the format, could one of you chaps enlighten me. Are all shots to be taken in a standing position ?
Does anyone ever shoot these with an open sight pistol ? Or is it deemed to be too difficult.
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:26 pm
by pmh
These are free standing competitions over 6 yards,
The basic set up is the same country wide, but rules can change from district to district regarding number of shots, pellet type, sight type, etc.
A lot shoot open sights only, though non magnifying sights, such sure dot, are allowed in some comps.
Some comps also insist on a standard pellet.
Bell target pistol has been mentioned on many occasions, but I haven't personally had a go.
Shooting against proper bell targets, it is easier with .177, but for this comp it shouldn't matter much, other than to reduce the chance of getting a perfect centre for a maximum score.
I'll try and put all the above chat into a set of rules, which should make it a lot simpler.
Zunmik's original idea was a very good one, and I'll try and stick as closely to this as possible.
Kind regards,
Phil
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:28 pm
by pmh
Had a chance to play with the target layout today, and came up with this:-
It's one shot per target face, with 1 sighter.
Shot over 2 target pages, this should give 12 shots plus 2 sighters, and is inline with the original suggestion.
All that is neede is to agree the scoring for the bell (bull).
Kind regards,
Phil
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:21 pm
by Tank
Scoring from the bull should be down. I don't see why we need to vary a working formula?
We do need to have the 10 and 10.1 scores though I think.
As I have now two Bell Target rifles I really find myself needing to justify them!