Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by gary5031 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:22 pm

Quick photo of my Webley MK1 Service air rifle.

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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by Certus » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:57 am

Hi Gary,

A total of around 1,500 Mk1 air rifles were made and exact dates aren't easy to establish unlike the pre-war BSA rifles. From Chris Thrale's reference and others, I would agree that 1927-1928 would be about right for your example. There are better and more accurate references for the pre-war Webley air pistols and Gordon Bruce's excellent history book is the equivalent bible to Chris Thale's rifle book.

I don't have a Mk1 rifle, but do have a nice 3rd series Mk2 Service in the rarer .25 calibre which shoots very well out to 20 yds.
Although both Webley and BSA introduced rifles with 'Military' or 'Service' in the name, neither was officially adopted by the military for training. The army did however use a modified BSA underlever rifle as a gun laying trainer for the artillery to practice range finding.
As a matter of interest, I use Photobucket to host my photographs, but it's extremely frustrating to use being slow and full of pop-up advertising.

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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by gary5031 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:20 pm

Brian,
I agree that Gordon Bruce's book is excellent and I made sure that i'de had a good read of it before I began looking. In ref to yesterdays posts i did go and look at some pre-1939 Webley pistols with another dealer and bought a MK1 that was too cheap to say no (over half the price of the other MK1 and MK2 target). The Ser No of the pistol is 22624 which I am assuming is a Fourth series as it has the older first type trigger adjusting screw and has the newer retaining screw on the barrel hinge plus the US patent. Would you agree that it would put it at about the same age as my rifle 1927, or could it be slightly older or newer?
I popped into my local gun shop and they tested the gun at just under 3 ft lbs, so i'll be ok with 6yd shooting at my local club.

TTFN,

Gary

ps
I paid £160 for the pistol, which compared to every other one on the internet dealer sights seemed rather cheap? Apart from the barrel, which had a lot of hand contact, the bluing on the rest of the body is pretty good.
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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by Certus » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:35 pm

Hello Gary,
Reference sources suggest that approximately 20,000 Mk1 air pistols were made up to the end of 1926, so your Ser No would suggest early 1927 to be about right.
I obtained most of my collection from Arms Fairs or from other collectors in private deals rather than from recognised firearms dealers.
I would say a good Straight Grip Mk1 should be obtainable for around £150 whereas, a Mk2 Target in the same condition would be £200-£250. You can add another £80-£100 for an original box depending on condition.

Older air guns seem to prefer lighter pellets which seem to suit both the rifles as well as the pistols. H&N Pistol Match Flat Head pellets work best for me, but are quite expensive. RWS Hobby are a cheaper if not quite as consistent alternative.
Although all the elements of precision pistol shooting are important, Iv'e found that proper follow through has the most influence when shooting these spring powered air pistols to a reasonable standard.

Finally, 3ft/lbs muzzle energy is good for these pistols and perfectly adequate for the intended ranges also, this link to a Fair organised by one of the guys over on the BBS forum might be of interest

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Brian

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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by gary5031 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:08 pm

Brian,
Thanks for your, once again, helpful comments. I had seen the Kempton advertised and may get along, work depending.
I will be shooting the pistol at my club on Thursday, i'll let you know how it goes and i'll post some pic's when I get a minute to take them off my phone.

Kind regards,

Gary
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Re: Webley Target MK11 for 10 Metre?

Post by fronteria » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:40 pm

gary5031 wrote:Just noticed a rather funny spelling mistake, thats gun and NOT gin smith. Less of the mothers ruin on a hot summers day.
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