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Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:26 pm

My CP1 was returned to Bill Welsh to have a new trigger seal fitted, and it is still in his workshop in a disassembled state.

I am sure when the family have had time to get over the shock of Bills passing, it will be returned to me - possibly not fixed and maybe in pieces.

As long as all of the parts come back and none are lost I am sure I can get it back together again and fit a new seal myself.

Meanwhile here are some pictures of my CP1 before it developed the leak, and some pictures of the grip after I had re-worked it.

http://bobsairguns.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=124

http://bobsairguns.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=126

I am really looking forward to getting my CP1 back and shooting it again as it is a superb pistol - very similar to the CP2 that followed it.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Wed May 08, 2013 3:18 pm

Hope my CP1 parts arrive back here soon - it has been gone several weeks already - and I do miss it .
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Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Tue May 14, 2013 10:44 am

The parts have all been gathered from Bills work desk and put in a parcel that is already on its way back to me.

As soon as it arrives back here I will have to work out what parts belong to my CP1 ( all the parts surrounding it on Bills desk were put in the parcel - so some of then may not be for my CP1).

The rebuilding will start straight away - obviously a huge blow will be that I will not be able ask for Bills valuable assistance and guidance on this or any future Walther work where is encyclopedic knowledge was so very helpful to us all.

I just hope all the parts are here - any parts that do not belong to my pistol can be returned.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by Tank » Tue May 14, 2013 7:04 pm

Ooooh! Jigsaws.

I do like a good Jigsaw myself :lol:
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Wed May 15, 2013 9:01 pm

Tank wrote:Ooooh! Jigsaws.

I do like a good Jigsaw myself :lol:

Jigsaws are best done with all of the parts available - a few extra parts just make it a little more interesting.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Thu May 16, 2013 6:29 pm

Its Back !

A nice box arrived today with a lot of CP1 pistol parts inside it - and maybe a few extra bits too - so now the fun starts !
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:40 pm

The CP1 has now been put back together by Graham with the "extra" jigsaw parts discarded along the way. :doh:
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by Tank » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:13 pm

zooma wrote:The CP1 has now been put back together by Graham with the "extra" jigsaw parts discarded along the way. :doh:
I can assure you - I discarded nothing! I was rather hoping they would fit something else at some point! :mrgreen:

The real issue with these older pistols is a total lack of information. I have put two Walther CP 2's side by side for instance and their construction is completely different. Not just a little bit different, totally different. Different barrels, different breech, different loading mechanism.
Yet both marked CP2! :shock:

With the loss recently of the one person in the UK who had intimate knowledge of these pistols, the sport is just that little worse off. And to repair them as a career, just not viable.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:05 pm

Tank wrote:

The real issue with these older pistols is a total lack of information. I have put two Walther CP 2's side by side for instance and their construction is completely different. Not just a little bit different, totally different. Different barrels, different breech, different loading mechanism.
Yet both marked CP2! :shock:
I have a couple more CP2 pistols for you to compare if you would like to see even more variation :think:

Walther really did raid the parts bins evert time they made another small batch of air pistols - you should be more surprised if you ever find any two Walther air pistols that are genuinely identical to each other :doh:
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:58 am

The repair and reassembly of this very interesting and very rare example of a Walther CP1 air pistol continues and has been documented in the DIY and Repair section of this site, and it is well worth a look.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:51 pm

The CP1 is back and everything is working as it should and looking like new thanks to the determination and patience of Graham who probably now has more experience with the Walther CP family of pistols than anyone else. :dance:

My pal in Norfolk fancies the Derek Gent grip that my CP1 is currently modelling and he has lent me his CP2 with a standard grip and as far as I know they should just swap over - and if they do he will win this wonderful grip and I will return my CP1 to bog standard - just the way it should be as a collectors model as this is the most likely destination for this fairly rare match pistol. :snooty:

The CP1 was not made for very long as the trigger mechanism was time consuming to assemble and even worse to work on afterwards ( ask Tank :doh: ) so Walther quickly brought out the CP2 that had a drop-out trigger assembly that was so much easier to assemble and to service when needed later in its life.

I have a CP2 so I will shoot that one and only use this CP1 occasionally to keep it fit and moving as it should - although to be fair very few people will be able to tell a CP1 apart from a CP2 in any case as they share just about every part except the trigger assembly and the way it is installed in the frame.

There is probably more variation between the various batches of the CP2 than there is between the CP1 and the early CP2 pistols ! :naughty: well Walther never hesitated to use whatever was available each time they made a small batch of air pistols and that is why there are soooo many variations to fascinate the collectors who discover them as they compare the same model types with each other!

No two ever seen so far are identical - fact :snooty:
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by Tank » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:18 am

Well, I don't know about the CP1 Bob, but I do know there is a big void on my workbench now where the CP1 used to live.
And threin lies the problem, whilst the CP1 occupied this void, I knew what the problem was. Now that it is gone I now have a void. Physics doesn't like a void so you can be damn sure that something is going to come along and fill the void - the uncertainty of what that is going to be - THAT is the issue here - the fear of it all!
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by Tank » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:19 am

I blame Bob for this.
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by zooma » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:48 am

Tank wrote:I blame Bob for this.
I do my best :whistle:
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Re: Walther CP1

Post by RobinC » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:06 pm

Hi Bob and Graham
Great to see another old Walther return, I believe that George Darling and myself had the first two CP 1's into the country and at that time they were certainly the only ones. We had been shown them at the factory in Germany the Autumn before they were in full production and we were both keen to get them. They were on firearm certificate in the UK at the time due to the prepellent being "noxious gas", no issue as we both shot small bore and centrefire pistol as well so both had FAC's. It soon became an issue though as we toured Britain doing various county air shoots and were repeatedly refused to be allowed to use them in matches as the air ranges were not FAC ranges, no amount of argument, or producing our certs stating they could be used on any safe air range helped. I remember that Norfolk Police even gave us official letters stating they could be used any where, but nothing swayed organisers, and we got to taking our FWB 65's as back ups. Despite the pistol being a step forward from the 65 we both got rid of them due to the hassle. I thought it was a superb pistol, the first with a raked grip similar to the 22 free pistol I also shot at the time. I still have my 65 to this day and wanted to get a CP 1 again in recent years as a keep sake and reminder of my shooting history. I was unable to find one and ended up buying a CP 2 a few years ago to fill the space, the one on loan to Bob. Not sure about the grip Bob, I do like the Gent grip, and Derek was a shooting contempory of mine, but my CP1 had a standard grip and I think Id like to keep this one as I had it in the old days. There were not a lot of CP 1's in the UK, sadly Norfolk Police only went computorised after that time so I can't check with them the number of my period one, but they were rare in the uk, unless yours was bought from Germany, would'nt it be a fluke if the one you have was mine!! Do you know the years of production Bob for CP 1's and 2's?
George Darling went on to win the Commonweath games gold in Air pistol using a FWB 80, George is now the GB air and free pistol national coach.
A void on your bench Graham? How's the LPM-1 going, thats another Walther I still have from the early days, and I really look forward to seeing some write ups on the surprise from the mysterious East?
Great to see you are keeping old guns working, old Bill will be smiling on you.

Robin

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