Original 6M pistol

[pmh]

It might be worth getting a Crosman 2240, then adding custom parts to turn it into a .177

Should keep you busy tweaking it to your requirements!?

Kind regards,



Phil

[zunmik]

It might be worth getting a Crosman 2240, then adding custom parts to turn it into a .177

Should keep you busy tweaking it to your requirements!?

Kind regards,



Phil

Good idea, but I did that just over a year ago cost me a fortune in custom parts I went for stainless as I don't like brass much I did enjoy it & bought it up to the 2300 std with a .177 barrel, but don't feel like repeating it, atb, M.

[zooma]

Gad Sir, the BSA 240 Magnum "ugly" never, its a super designed pistol, punchy, accurate, and looks great unlike those "Wobbly" pistols!, made out of an old bit of bike frame with a barrel held on with a bit of bent nail , yeah I think the 240's great basically I just want a fun gun, co2 or spring as I've got plenty of target pistols, i'll advertise more widely next week with fresh pics in its ali box with the extra grips for lefties, M.

I thought all of those old things had been melted down as scrap and if the metal was of a better grade it may have been fit to be reclaimed and used for one of the less important parts of those magnificent Webley spring powered air pistols - something like a pellet tin maybe

[zooma]

Although not a "proper" Gentlemans air pistol like one of those very fine Webley air pistols you love to envy so much I do have an almost new HW 45 Silver Star still sat in its box doing nothing at this moment - and it is a .177

Maybe the Original Model 6 is almost as good as one of those finely engineered Webley pistols so I may consider parting with my Silver Star if you would be interested and not try to pursued me to part with a Webley instead.

[zunmik]

Although not a "proper" Gentlemans air pistol like one of those very fine Webley air pistols you love to envy so much I do have an almost new HW 45 Silver Star still sat in its box doing nothing at this moment - and it is a .177

Maybe the Original Model 6 is almost as good as one of those finely engineered Webley pistols so I may consider parting with my Silver Star if you would be interested and not try to pursued me to part with a Webley instead.

Sir you may be assured I would never seek one your wobblies , an hw45 I admit can be considered as a pistol which is somewhat worthy, and of interest M.

[zooma]

OK - as long as you really promise not to try and buy any of my Webleys you may like to take a look at the picture link to my HW54 Silver Star.

http://bobsairguns.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you have any similar shots of your Model 6M for me to see by any chance ?

I have a really nice Model 5 and your Model 6M would make a nice companion from a similar age.........you see I don't only collect and shoot Webley air pistols - I am very fond of the Diana/Original Models 5, 6 and 10 and have been lucky enough to own and shoot them all at different times since the early seventies

[zunmik]

OK - as long as you really promise not to try and buy any of my Webleys you may like to take a look at the picture link to my HW54 Silver Star.

http://bobsairguns.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you have any similar shots of your Model 6M for me to see by any chance ?

I have a really nice Model 5 and your Model 6M would make a nice companion from a similar age.........you see I don't only collect and shoot Webley air pistols - I am very fond of the Diana/Original Models 5, 6 and 10 and have been lucky enough to own and shoot them all at different times since the early seventies

Pm sent, M.

[zooma]

Pm sent, M.

PM replied to - with no mention of a Webley at all

[zunmik]

Pm sent, M.

PM replied to - with no mention of a Webley at all

Swap agreed actually I am happy to mention 2 webley's Nemesis, and the Turkish Alecto both of which I am happy to own & shoot. they aren't wobblies, M.

[zooma]

Pm sent, M.

PM replied to - with no mention of a Webley at all

Swap agreed actually I am happy to mention 2 webley's Nemesis, and the Turkish Alecto both of which I am happy to own & shoot. they aren't wobblies, M.

Wobbly Webleys they are indeed !!!

[zunmik]

Pm sent, M.

PM replied to - with no mention of a Webley at all

Swap agreed actually I am happy to mention 2 webley's Nemesis, and the Turkish Alecto both of which I am happy to own & shoot. they aren't wobblies, M.

Wobbly Webleys they are indeed

!!!

Aha by Your choice of words you agree with my views re the wobblies, M.

[zooma]

Swap agreed actually I am happy to mention 2 webley's Nemesis, and the Turkish Alecto both of which I am happy to own & shoot. they aren't wobblies, M. [/quote]

Wobbly Webleys they are indeed

!!! [/quote]


Aha by Your choice of words you agree with my views re the wobblies, M. [/quote]

Actually they are a little bit Wobbley at the best of times - unless shot by "hippo" at 10 meters then we all have to admire his marksmanship and his ability to demonstrate just how good they can actually perform in the hands of somebody that works at it - then we have to accept that the Wobbly is a capable air pistol but we don't work hard enough to match its ability

Actually Brian (certus) has also put some very impressive cards up on CAPA at 10 metres with his Tempest so the Webley springer pistols are capable, we just need to work-out how to get the best out of them.

...........and for me that is a real challenge

Why not try a Tempest for yourself and lets see if we can get anything like the results hippo and certus can already achieve ?

[zunmik]

Swap agreed actually I am happy to mention 2 webley's Nemesis, and the Turkish Alecto both of which I am happy to own & shoot. they aren't wobblies, M.

Wobbly Webleys they are indeed

!!! [/quote]


Aha by Your choice of words you agree with my views re the wobblies, M. [/quote]

Actually they are a little bit Wobbley at the best of times - unless shot by "hippo" at 10 meters then we all have to admire his marksmanship and his ability to demonstrate just how good they can actually perform in the hands of somebody that works at it - then we have to accept that the Wobbly is a capable air pistol but we don't work hard enough to match its ability

Actually Brian (certus) has also put some very impressive cards up on CAPA at 10 metres with his Tempest so the Webley springer pistols are capable, we just need to work-out how to get the best out of them.

...........and for me that is a real challenge

Why not try a Tempest for yourself and lets see if we can get anything like the results hippo and certus can already achieve ?[/quote]
Unusually for me I'll be serious for a moment I tried them many years ago, dreadful to shoot & badly made, sadly I had to concede that my German pistols were much better made, shot better,& even had decent triggers. M.

[zooma]

Why not try a Tempest for yourself and lets see if we can get anything like the results hippo and certus can already achieve ?

[/quote]Unusually for me I'll be serious for a moment I tried them many years ago, dreadful to shoot & badly made, sadly I had to concede that my German pistols were much better made, shot better,& even had decent triggers. M. [/quote]

Unfortunately most of what you say about our beloved wobbly's is also true - but don't tell IJ as it could spoil the arguments and abuse we enjoy so much!

I would however take some issue about them being badly made when compared with similar products from the same time periods at comparable prices - but we could continue this debate on another thread rather then hijacking your Original 6M thread.

[zooma]

I have the "retro" plastic gripped Original 6 and I love it. I've often been tempted by the 6m but I read somewhere that there is a problem adjusting the sights. According the half-remembered blog post, the rear sight is the same as the plastic 6 and was intended to be used with the tunnel fore-sight - the 6m uses a post fore-sight that is supposedly too low to allow full adjustment.

From your description I assume this is not the case. I'd be interested to hear your take on this.

This sounds more like a typical Original/Diana pistol "bent barrel" problem that is preventing the sights from being able to work as they should rather than a "design fault" with the 6M.

All Original/Diana break barrel pistols have "soft" barrels - a well documented fact. They are so soft in fact that in "normal" use by a heavy handed owner they often gently bend out of shape. Fortunately being so soft they can be just as easily corrected and bent back into shape.

I had two really nice Original Model 10 pistols - both in excellent ( near perfect) condition. One of them could not reach the black center of the target at 10 meters and the other could not be adjusted low enough to come down onto the black center of the target at 10 meters !! Both had just been re-sealed and were in perfect health and shooting with full power.

Careful inspection showed that one had a barrel that was bent upwards. This was caused by heavy handed closing of the barrel after cocking - not helped by the heavy duty barrel closure retaining detent these models all have.

The other had a barrel that was bent downwards - caused again by heavy handed breaking of the barrel that progressively caused the barrel to droop a little over the years.

My friend John at RMTC found that his Model 6M always shot to the left of target as his barrel was bent to the left and he successfully corrected his yesterday and it is now shooting fine. This bend again will have most probably been inadvertently caused by a heavy handed cocking action by a previous owner and being right handed it is easy to understand why the barrel would have been bent towards the left.

I have just acquired a lovely Model 6M with an identical fault. This pistol is in superb condition and there are no signs whatsoever of any external damage or rough handling - but again it is impossible to get this pistol to shoot into the black of the target at 10 meters ( several of us tried at RMTC when I first acquired it last week even with the sights fully adjusted to the right to try to bring the shots across).

John has taken this pistol home with him to see if it is as easy to correct as his was, and if not I already have Dave Mercer lined up to take it into his workshop as he has plenty of experience of straightening these Original pistol barrels.

I have used the term "heavy handed" when describing the cocking action employed by "previous" ( and current?) owners, but this needs to be put into the correct perspective and maybe it should also be qualified by the fact that perhaps these barrels should not have been made so soft in the first place.

Hopefully this explanation will help to reassure those with bent barrels on the Original/Diana pistols, and those who find that the sights on their similar pistols cannot be adjusted enough pull the shots straight onto the target.

This is not an unusual problem and it is not normally too difficult to correct - but remember if you attempt to straighten one of these barrels yourself to be very careful - they really are soft and very little pressure is needed to bend them back.